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#8882 2006-11-16 21:40 GMT |
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I take a college American history class and today we are covering the American revolution (British) and it's independence, so on and so forth, and My proffessor asked why weren't woman apart of this, why were just men a part of this?
BUT the REAL question that got me thinking was, why weren't woman a part of early American GOVERNMENT. I thought, the reason why women weren't a part of this is because in my personal opinion women weren't capable of maintaining a strong central government in which now has grown to be the most powerful today. The reason being is because they are of a more sensitive gender, I myself am female, but back then there thoughts weren't too strong, their opinions or thoughts, were practically ignorant in this topic and not well thought of, unlike that of the men. I'm pretty sure the women had a saying in this, to fight for the independence against the British? It was strange because I am not sure whether it's because women still followed housewive traditions that their opinions in the government didn't matter. I didn't verbally express my opinion openly but in my opinion Women weren't or didn't have a chance of putting up with something like this. Men are more agressive and thrive without being sensitively hurt, perseverance and thriving for something is why men in the begining were able to do what we have now, more powerful ideas, in the political process. With women it would of taken a step back, causing time and effort because they think things rationally and don't get me wrong men do too for certain women it takes patience and rationality and a futher more reason to keep things from going at a faster pace. And to prevent that, America wouldn't of been strong now but probably years from now because of the slow rate women's mental activities act. I am speaking for myself and by personal recognizable whereabouts that why. Men are able to capture things rather quickly. IT's not just here in American I'm pretty sure this goes around in other parts of the world as well. |
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Veg
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#8885 2006-11-17 03:21 GMT |
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That sort of thing - hestoric event come course of events - happens everywhere. I live in Sunny SA, and I'm sure you're well informed on our historic events. So my reply is based on what happened on our side of the world:
Women played a huge part in our 'revolution'. They fought for freedom alongside men, who at the time found comfort knowing their women stood by them, and basically understood what the whole struggle was about. By all this I'm refering to the Black community. It was hard enough being opressed, segregating their own would've been suicide. What I find ironic is that for the white community, it was the exact opposite. The men would make all military and political decisions while their wives would stay at home and make muffins! So, I think (my opinion), that its all about what one to lose, and gain. The black community, was fighting for freedom, so everyone had so much to gain, because then eventually everyone would be free. The women and men of this community were aware that they weren't being treated farely.Whereas the white community, was so enthralled with power, that their women didn't care, they had nothing to to lose. They didn't see why they had to do anything, or make any decisions. It isn't because its in the nature of women not to rationalise as men would, or they were somehow fragile or weren't stern. They were desensitised because they chose to be. |
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#8887 2006-11-17 18:49 GMT |
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Well, I don't know much about american revolution, but my opinion is, that the set-up of society didn't allow women to take part of the war that time. I mean, men's function was to be soldiers and strong, women's function was to keep house and bring up children, and maybe this was a very strict rule. (However, it's interesting, that women's emancipation was caused by wars.)
But true, that today the number of men in military is still higher than that of women. Perhaps because the society still thinks, that men must be proud, if they fight, and for women fighting is not a merit. But |
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#8888 2006-11-17 19:02 GMT |
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" It isn't because its in the nature of women not to rationalise as men would, or they were somehow fragile or weren't stern. They were desensitised because they chose to be.''
Uhm.. so you are trying to say that they had to feel superior to the men back then.. Which yeah it's quite true. Oh you were saying something about desensitised because they chose to be, well I think it was optional well sort of because they lacked that knowledge, what men did of being apart in politics and wars and stuff so because it was the mens job to go out and support his family, there is a high chance that the men would even discuss things like this to the woman, that's probably another reason women weren't apart of this as well. Race seperation was crutial then as well... but as always woman now and days are trying to strive to the top.. who knows maybe later we won't feel like a minority in this world. Thanks, this topic was just on my mind after school ended so, I just needed to say something to discuss with others and their opinions especially in this website because it's an international website. |
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Veg
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#8893 2006-11-21 03:35 GMT |
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This whole gender dicrimination thing has got me thinking now. Is it just me, or do you find that women have to prove themselves more harshly than men? In the great world of art, you'll find men are taken more seriously, and when a woman mankes some sort of stand, 'we' hardly flinch! I, being a female have been welcome fairly so. I didn't expect a welcome wagon or anything, but banners, encore, something, anything! Its so typical that we're seen as a weaker sex, the finisher, and if you're of a certain age group then its even harder. Skills are what count, I feel. If you can do what has to done then it shouldn't matter what your attribute dispaly. This industry is so cut throat and no mercy for the meak and mild. I sometimes feel like I want to hide in a corner when I get judged - harshly. I'm part of a great team though, and they've been supportive in a group structured way atleast. I'm not saying that men somehow set a certain standard, but society expects them too. The greatest artists I know are men funny enough... Were the women hiding while Michealangelo did is thing, or were they not even noticed because of their stained apron strings. I'm glad to say that things have somhow changed, even if it is a slight change. I could even push further to say that women are beginning to step out of their shells a bit and take part. I would love to see more women in this industry fighting the good fight. That fight should be about themselves, not with men. What a colourful world that would be!
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#8921 2006-12-11 15:29 GMT |
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Men Don't have a saying on this and why? lol.. Funny because only women are responding to this topic...
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Veg
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#8922 2006-12-12 08:47 GMT |
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That whole thing with coordination, thats it right there. It couldn't be lack of interest, not lack of imput. Men can't help the handicap of not being one with objectivity...
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Buffy
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#8926 2006-12-14 21:59 GMT |
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<!--coloro:#6600CC-->[color=#6600CC]<!--/coloro-->Hi girls,
A very good discussion is here. I agree with Pimf about the traditional functions of two different genders and there were very strict rules (varied by culture) in the past. I think this is because males and females have different body structures and functions. Men have much stronger muscles than women and naturally have strength in fighting (not only in combat but also in business), so they tend to be more aggressive than women and it’s their nature. Therefore, a man’s roll in the ancient world (perhaps still today?) was mainly protecting his family from outside enemies (war) and bring food to family by hunting (business). Behaviors such as “arm wrestling” are the outcome of men wanting to show their abilities and strength for fighting. On the other hand, women have the ability to reproduce the next generation and it’s a very important roll to survive from human extinction. So, women are naturally more protective and concerned with security than men are. I think women and men are equally compensating for each other’s lacking points. I don’t agree with Sigmund Freud’s theory that women suffer from “penis envy” (it could be expressing Freud’s complex or his own envy over a woman’s ability of reproduction). I couldn’t find good reason why women should have been discriminated in the past in most of countries. Even in the Art World of the past, most of the old masters were male artists. Why? It doesn’t mean that women didn’t have talent in art back then; just it wasn’t a woman’s area. Now, we are in a postmodern (could be post-postmodern?) art world and I feel lucky to be a woman artist working at this time because of the acceptance of women artists in the art world is equal to male artists. A trend since postmodernism started. Modernism was still kind of a masculine world that women artists were not equally accepted into. I’m glad to see the fact that many competitive female artists are active and successful in today’s art world.<!--colorc-->[/color]<!--/colorc--> |
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#8931 2006-12-18 18:20 GMT |
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Buffy - alot of interesting points and Veg I am not quite sure what you are trying to say. Buffy I totally agree with you. Oh and this is trully or at least I think a topic where only women have a saying on something.. NIce.. Strangely enough there are mostly men on this website... NIce to talk to just women only and hearing there points of views...
Hah.. Because of this topic.. CHICKS RULE!! :boogie: |
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