Nice thought kinda thrue... and well the meaning of life ... survivle in a way and in short version ˝sex˝ the only way the human can remain how far off am i...?

Good luck with your meditaition!

This is turning into an interesting conversation.

From what I've experienced in my own life I usually use meditation only for the cleansing of own thoughts, never for actual thinking about stuff. I've always believed that the thinking process in meditation is being done on another scale - in the subconscious.

I would be eager to hear your theory on the meaning of life though. Is this from a standpoint of an artist or does it apply to each and every one of us?

Actually I dont think Mtic wac referring to raising families, but more to the actual reproduction process. Without this process it's incredibly difficult for a species to exist past one life-cycle, wouldnt you agree?

I like your interpretation of the meaning of life, but again it is only applicable to artists. People differentiate and not all of them want to persue the same goals as you and I. And then again, if everyone created art, who would cook our food, in restaurants, who would sing us music in blues cafes?

What do you think about this?

Well isn't it hard to tell good art from bad? Look at my art some work is really negative - atleast they look kinda painful or quite disturbing to moste people but i stil think that those images are made well (did i get off the topic, or do i make any sence? ) anyway ... i'm very young so i really don't meditate, i can just take a walk or lie on the bed and think about everything! And i have a question... Have you ever controled your dreams? I mean you really dreamt of something you would really love to dream? (a bit off topic again :blah: )

This is a hard topic to dealth with! Ou yeah and Lombi's right about what i ment

And about some artworks ... perosnaly i haven't made any really good works reacently, beacuse i'm having problams with making a story for them! I saw some really poor pic. or lets say not very good, but when i read or heard the story behind it, it became very good atleast it had some point!

(Hope i made some sence, it's a bit late hehe) Enjoy that's the key!

"Good art is art that represents what we see realistically" that dear Sir is an absurd statement.

"how can artistic freedom and great ideas come from a popular movement" is easily rsponded to by simple obvious movements: peer to peer community/blogging/podcasting/desktop publishing/Christianity/Judaisim/Islam/Hinduism/Budhism and a myriad of other "ism's"

It's not too good to let emotions be in the driving seat all the time, Zy. It's about not coming to a canvas with a clouded mind as so many people do, it's about pushing a picture to the limits of what is achievable, as in Zen when eventually you can go no further you will attain enlightenment and see life as it really is. Zen is a branch of budhism and budhists are at peace without posessions and without needing to run everywhere in such a hurry, take it slow, don't concern yourself with anything too much except what it is your path demands of you and there won't be negativity in your life.

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"how can artistic freedom and great ideas come from a popular movement" is easily rsponded to by /Christianity/Judaisim/Islam/Hinduism/Budhism and a myriad of other "ism's"

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Christianity and the other 'isms' as you say, aren't popular with the fear of one day becoming unpopular, they are paths that lead to true meaning unlike modernism which is ever changing in search of more ways only to prolong the inevitable return of realistic art some day.

Well for all that and from what i've seen of your 'art' you've got a long way to go kiddo. Might i suggest you listen to your betters in this case and stop acting like a small child.

Prevrcuci raj i pakao.

Yo, like Domen said lets keep it civil here, brother. Now I'll admit I don't know everything..yet. I'm 24 and when I was working at the art atelier my 'master' believed deeply in the philsophy of Zen and the powers of meditation to truly understand life and therefore create great subject paintings through these processes. The art I'm really talking about isn't Surrealism (Although I'm a great admirer and believe there's a lot to it all) the technical brilliance of Sargent or the compositional understanding of Vermeer are levels to aspire to since they were both masters of understanding the 'human condition' and this is really all I'm saying, to understand the human condition without approaching a painting with negativity or emotion, then great paintings will flow from the brush.
Domen: Social realism is a good thing, but the type of realism I'm after is that also, but with so much more and painted more or less from the side lines. i.e on the surface 'You can't tell if the person is crying or laughing' which is only a technical side to things.
I've got to admit though perhaps I do look like a sophist a bit as Heidinabucket said but it's really difficult to explain.
You know, don't you ever question how the masters did it? don't you believe there is a higher art than just technical brilliance?
If y'all want to discuss this further as I think you might being surrealist artists my address is Email this person , unless of course there's not going to be any more flamming.

"Zen is a branch of budhism and budhists are at peace without posessions and without needing to run everywhere in such a hurry, take it slow, don't concern yourself with anything too much except what it is your path demands of you and there won't be negativity in your life."-yaunt

Not many people follow that path. I am not a budhists or follow the budhism beliefs at all, therefore I have no idea on their perspectives at all. Besides Budhists have a different lives than we do. I am pretty sure that they don't have to worry about payments, school: important test to worry about, such as myself. I know they have education to follow but it's not as stressing as ours. Sometimes we don't even have time to relax. They do whether it's mandatory or not. They aren't or living a very civilized place. In the United States you have many or plenty of things to do, even if it's not work related. They are two different perspectives two views of how Budhists see the world, even how they live, their surroundings it's a more convinient place and a more suitable place, in other words it's calmer less stressing than it is over here, or in my life that is.


I am not sure if I can slow down and relax and still not let negativity still be in my life. I don't know maybe there is, I need to follow some sort of exercise or somethin. Do you guys recomend anything.

Look at the number of messages, some subtle some not that you are directed to follow through the medium of television.
Do yourself a favour and dump TV channels.
I have a TV set but it is only used to watch DVD's fuller size, not having the possibility to see "reality" shows,propagandised "news" media and the flurry of advertising and sitcom stereotypes loaded down with aspirations that we all must seek.....is a positive breath of fresh air.

Being able to control the news (and to an extent the sources you draw it from) and how and when you want to be exposed to it can reduce a helluva lot of "negativity"

There are a myriad of meditative practices out there to help handle stress and the wear and tear of our so called modern living, just google meditation exercises and you'll be spoiled for choice.

Personally I used to be brought down low by all the nasty shit that goes on in the world....then I had a few momentous points in my life that brought me to the conviction that our greatest ally and ultimate triumph is the good inherent (I believe) in all people.

With my montage I try to bring laughter to people.
Dismembered limbs and screaming faces are simple to create in Photoshop, why the hell anyone would care to create that (seems banal in the extreme )rather than rip it from any news show (any war/atrocity/genocide footage )is beyond me..............much harder to make someone laugh with montage,much much harder.

Good points Zy, but for those problems, that's why I'm a huge believer that there was definately something in the old hippy communes, although they lacked certain direction as opposed to artists they were on the right path to enlightenment.
I think the main concern is money. If we had enough of it we could all do this, but quite simply if you meditate on your art and therefore push yourself to your limits you will in turn become a good artist and this shouldn't be a problem, unless you don't believe in what you're doing or are constantly concerned about money. But since we're all artists here isn't our art more important?

Artists are stereotyped as bohemians, and as in Zen when the master has attained enlightenment he is sent to a town to spread the word about Zen and it's benefits until the entire town has a least a grip on what it's about. And I believe that that's what my master taught me to do moreover, just get people thinking about this lifestyle of slow living and few concerns but also doing something very important, art.

Heidinabucket, throwing out your t.v or magazines, pop garbage all that is mandatory but there has to be more than that as I've said, otherwise you'd just be a bored artist who threw his t.v out.

I completely disagree with some points that were risen here. Artists NEED to think about money otherwise they would all be dead since they couldnt even afford food. Well, that is of course only applicable to professional artists.

Amateur artists (meant in this case to a person that only produces things for his/her own pleasures) can find funding elsewhere.

So yes, art is important, but if you cannot support your own living, then who is it to create this art? My two cents.

So yes, art is important, but if you cannot support your own living, then who is it to create this art? My two cents.-Lombi

I am guessing you were referring to being able to afford materials in order to create this art, or at least your art. Yes you are right in supporting your own living to be able to manage you sensibility in an individuals art style. But not necessarily. I am pretty sure many people don't need money to support their way of living in order to maintain what they love which is art.

A homeless guy can have nothing but passion is what makes his creactivity eternal no matter what. Sure he may find things of no use but what he has even if it's just the useless, worthless thing in the world making something out of it, only if he uses it in a sensible way can be worth plenty not just for everyone who thinks it's useless but he may thing otherwise that's what makes each individuals art meaningful, your passion. It doesn't to me in order to do or make good art you'd have to have something, everyone starts somewhere, I guess grand isn't grand enough, it's the littlest things or the things that you have that makes you a good artists in life or at least who you are.

HEY, I've actually notice something. This goes for Yaunt; Finding the meaning of life, you being close to finding it, is already here. This whole conversation getting peoples opinion on how they view life emotionally mentally, and artistically interferes with our surroundings, whether it's by the way we live, religion what we follow, politically as well, determines who we each are as individuals in life, well our own life. We are able to see and at least have a well thought on where we stand because we know what we can do. Even if we don't and haven't analized ourselfs yet, we still follow our own instincts what we know it's right for our individual lives, it gives us an eye for maintainence in life. I guess believing in your passion for art, music, being workaholics, or couch potatoes, ect even the people we hang around with determines who we are and how we are going to be. So maybe what you do, the way you act, having a sense of direction; religiously, limiting yourself to certain things, knowing when to have a good time and when not, your family giving you a positive feedback on raising you

Can make you say you know what this is who I am I can change it and yes I don't have too because I've already been accustomed to it for quite sometime can make you say you know what I know where I stand as an artist emotionally and physically are your main characters elevating you to a higher state in your own life, being more expressive, can say this is who I am this is the meaning of my life. Well everyone expiriences a different one of course.

"but The idea behind Zen is that most people can only see as far as to the meaning of their own lives, but through meditation questioning and time eventually through Zen, you reach enlightenment and can see the meaning of all life" - Yaunt

Seeing the meaning of all life if impossible, you can probably reach a good idea of how life may be in general: living happy make something of yourself as well as impact others in a positive way or doing something to change something in the world. Make mistakes and make better within oneself, so on and so forth. But I disagree in being able to see the meaning of all life through Zen. Some people don't see the whole idea of what is the meaning of life. Sure they live and go through it knowing where they stand is one thing in their lifes is one thing but finding the meaning of life, well the only reason for that is that you are here, not having any existance is like not having any life now is there. Why find the meaning of life if you are currently living it and trying to figure out you and where you stand in life. But people or at least certain people have different perspectives on life though, like artist may think that by visually expressing themselves in paper their lives or religious people have different views they even take time to verify there evidence. For instance the bible: even though some people try different ways to prove that things said there are true. Even philosophies as well, many views, leads to different ideas of what life is or why their is life. Why would it be important? See these things only question different possibilities of what might be or from true expirience and believing makes it sound more sophisticated leading many ideas that people follow certainly because they think it's the right way. Don't get me wrong it's good to follow and be open to what you think is right like a religion or what not. So.